As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa.

Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

Although I agree with you i think that calling it a 400 year holocaust is a bit innaccurate. There was no great burning or attempt to eliminate the black race.

having a black nationalist on this forum will be sooo fun.

You weren't a slave, why do you need reparations?

And the flood gates are open!

Blackliberator wrote:

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

Respectfully, I strongly disagree.

And I'm pretty bored with native-born Americans who are whining about circumstances long before their time or mine. I remember when the first group of "boat-people" came over from Laos and other Southeastern Asian countries. In my hometown, Houston, they lived in the Allen Projects, sometimes 20+ people in a one-bedroom apartment, and I watched them picking up rags and trash with those pointed sticks on the Allen Parkway and Southwest Freeway.

Within a decade, their kids were winning the National Spelling Bee. They were newspaper publishers and restaurant and small-business owners (and the thug elements had also established themselves, of course). That's when I got bored with whining. In my lifetime, every American child has been offered an education, and since I was in high school, affirmative action saw to it that perceived grievances were beginning to be addressesd.

My family didn't own slaves, and I owe you nothing. Not a one of us was alive to experience slavery and its attendant horrors, and if you have been unable to make it here in the U.S., then look to yourself because you have a serious personal problem if you were born here and somehow can't when foreigners got off boats in our lifetimes and have.

Victimhood is just pathetic, IMO. Serves nobody; just makes you weak. Not one damned dime of my tax money for American citizens who think they somehow deserve "compensation" for what their dead ancestors may have experienced. The American Dream remains. It just takes work, not whining.

if property acquisition can be traced back to illegitimate means, is that property legitimate?

Blackliberator wrote:

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

I'll be the first to admit that the way blacks have been (and in some places still are) treated has been pretty terrible.

But honestly its never going to get any better if you keep playing the victim card and don't do anything for yourselves to make your own lives better. Even if the government gave all African decent families $100,000 in reparations, would it resolve the issues that are still ongoing? I highly doubt it.

My parents were poor when I was growing up and they sure didn't pass any wealth down to me. I moved to Dallas with about $1000 and no job and am living relatively well these days. So while I agree that things have not been easy, its no excuse to hold your hand out and ask for money instead of going out and making a life for yourself. If you get it, so much the better, but I certainly wouldn't hold my breath - the Native Americans were treated much worse and they have received virtually nothing.

You want money from Chase Bank?

Really, really bad timing...

Blackliberator wrote:

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

I understand where you are coming from. My question with the reparations movement has always been this: How can you say that for all the things that our people have had to endure and how systematic the level of injustice had been for so long, that "if you gimme some money" we're square? So slavery was cool, and forgiven for a few bucks? The history of this country is SO dark as it pertains to descendents of slaves. I'd hate the idea that the majority culture could say "Shut up about racism. You got paid."

Bro, if you spent more of your money in things that originate and terminate within the Black community (not saying you don't, i dunno) we would have more of our own stuff. Earning your own way: Priceless.

Judge Napolitano said that the reparations claim is about 400-years too late. Try buying lottery tickets instead.

Well we should probably pay the Native Americans first then eh?

Do you suppose Spain should pay-off the people of Central and South America?

Since slavery in the US began prior to the founding of the country, don't you think the UK needs to front some money too?

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You are being paid reparations in a way. You can get your college pretty much paid for just because you are black. So let's call it even.

I disagree, the Jew Holocaust lasted for ten years. The Holocaust for the Black man lasted for over 400 years. The Jews lost 6 million in their Holocaust but we lost over 600 million.


The Jews often talk about the death marches but what about the death marches in Africa ? When we were forced in mass to march hundreds of miles some of us dying in the heat of the sun and we moved from northern region to a coastal region.

The Jews have also been forcibly moved from their ghetto but these the sons and daughters of Africa are still in the ghettos of White America to this very day.





The Jews often talk about how the Germans build override side walks but Black people were not even allowed to walk on the side walk with the White Man. When we were walking on the side walk and a white man came along it was a law for us to moved out in the streets.

We Black people have not only suffered an Holocaust but we have payed one hell of a cost.

The Jews build their Holocaust memorial and it cost over millions of dollars. I think we Black people need an African Holocaust museum and WE SHOULD SET THEM UP ALL OVER AMERICA !

The Jews get 21 million a year just for operating expenses from the government of America. Their Holocaust took place in Germany thousands of miles from America. But no museum no memorial not 200 million not 21 million not even one thousand not even a dollar has been set aside so that we may set up a museum or memorial for all of our ancestors who suffered an untimely death.




The Jews often talk about how they were herded in boxcars well we were herded in slave ships. We lost 2 million in middle passage alone. During slavery white people played game where they would burn Blacks alive. They would run races to determine who old get the big toe, who would get the little toe and the top prize was the male organ. They did this for laughter......

I am deeply concerned with the struggles of Black America.


No one wants to pay us reparations to us and if they won’t do that why can’t the government at least a museum or memorial in honor of our holocaust ? The Jews receive 100 billion dollars in reparations and a holocaust was set up on this soil. But the catholic church, the Arabs, white people in general no one wants to pay reparations to the sons and daughters of Africa. What have we done to deserve this kind of mistreatment ? We are that same race that when you all beat us and rearrange our facial features and stomp us before the entire world because we have such kind and innocent hearts we just rise up and say


Well can't we all just get along ? [/youtube]

krissypie08 wrote:

You are being paid reparations in a way. You can get your college pretty much paid for just because you are black. So let's call it even.

This is false.

FACT: Affirmative action benefits a broad range of people and communities that continue to face discrimination in this country, including Latino, Native, Arab, Asian and African Americans. The primary beneficiaries, however, have been white women.

http://aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php

Blackliberator wrote:

I disagree, the Jew Holocaust lasted for ten years. The Holocaust for the Black man lasted for over 400 years. The Jews lost 6 million in their Holocaust but we lost over 600 million.

I'm not going to respond to the rest because it starts off so bad. I think you need to look up what the Holocaust was because you are sadly mistaken if you think blacks in America have been under those conditions for 400 years.

I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations....

thundertaker wrote:

I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations....

Do you have a source for this ? Though so because that is a lie put out their by whites to make them feel better about their low down dirty ancestors.

The slave markets in Africa were in Fez and Triopoli which is located in Northern Africa or Arab Africa.


In 1720, King Agaja Trudo of Dahomey not only opposed the trade, but even went as far as to attack the forts that the European powers had constructed on the coast.

Other African leaders such as Donna Beatriz Kimpa Vita in Kongo and Abd al-Qadir, in what is now northern Senegal, also urged resistance against the forced export of Africans.

Queen Nzinga went as far as fighting Europeans when Europeans dare suggested she sell some of her citizens into slavery.



http://www.fiu.edu/~ogundira/Thornton_Early_Kongo_Portuguese_Relations .pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Nzinga

My ancestors were slaves and serfs 600 years ago. Gimme my money b*****s.

Yeah... that'll happen.

thundertaker wrote:

I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations....

Your from the U.K ? It goes so good down in Britain that you colonized certain section of Africa and build the wealth of your country.

thundertaker wrote:

I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations....

Well, yes, there's this niggling detail...

Lumina wrote:

thundertaker wrote: I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations.... Well, yes, there's this niggling detail...

I already debunked the whole Blacks sold other Blacks into slavery.
How ever even if it is true that Africans sold other Blacks into slavery the wealth that was acquired from it was stolen by the Europeans when they came in to colonize Africa.

So that is another reason why Europeans owe us reparations.

Can you all explain how giving back what you stole is a handout and not righteous justice ?

Blackliberator wrote:

Lumina wrote: thundertaker wrote: I notice that the descendents of the black africans who rounded up the slaves before selling them on the white slave traders are conspicious by their abscence on your demand for reperations.... Well, yes, there's this niggling detail... I already debunked the whole Blacks sold other Blacks into slavery. How ever even if it is true that Africans sold other Blacks into slavery the wealth that was acquired from it was stolen by the Europeans when they came in to colonize Africa. So that is another reason why Europeans owe us reparations. Can you all explain how giving back what you stole is a handout and not righteous justice ?

I didn't steal anything. And you weren't stolen from--you weren't even born.

And if you're flattering yourself that you're successfully trolling, let me express my non-mod/regular PCF member opinion that you're probably not even putting forth a genuine agenda, just a troll.

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I didn't steal anything. And you weren't stolen from--you weren't even born.

1Your ancestors accumulated wealth from the labor of my forefathers.

2My ancestors were not payed.

3 This wealth was passed down in someway shape or form that has given you a head start in life.


4 My ancestors were not able to pass any wealth from one generation to the next.


5 You hold money that should have been passed down from one generation to the next in my family.

Do you now see how you have stolen from me ?

Quote:

And if you're flattering yourself that you're successfully trolling, let me express my non-mod/regular PCF member opinion that you're probably not even putting forth a genuine agenda, just a troll.

Yes anyone with an unorthodox opinion is a troll.

Blackliberator wrote:

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

BILL

FROM: The Midwestern States
TO: Every American Decended from Black Slaves
Regarding: Outstanding Debts for Services


Items:
__________

1. 150,000 dead kids @ 1,000,000 (10,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest)
2. 300,000 crippled kids @ 500,000 (5,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest)
3. 20,000 ruined home-steads @ 250,000 (2500 in 1865 dollars + compound interest)
4. 1,500,000 cases of severe emmotional trauma @ 100,000 (1000 in 1865 dollars + compound interes)

total: $455,000,000,000

eynon wrote:

Blackliberator wrote: As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks. BILL FROM: The Midwestern States TO: Every American Decended from Black Slaves Regarding: Outstanding Debts for Services Items: __________ 1. 150,000 dead kids @ 1,000,000 (10,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 2. 300,000 crippled kids @ 500,000 (5,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 3. 20,000 ruined home-steads @ 250,000 (2500 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 4. 1,500,000 cases of severe emmotional trauma @ 100,000 (1000 in 1865 dollars + compound interes) total: $455,000,000,000

Yes and if that plan were to go in effect we would use that money to start a nation of our own.

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1Your ancestors accumulated wealth from the labor of my forefathers. My ancestors were in Italy. They accumulated nothing.. 2My ancestors were not payed. Neither were mine... 3 This wealth was passed down in someway shape or form that has given you a head start in life. No.. 4 My ancestors were not able to pass any wealth from one generation to the next. Not my fault.. 5 You hold money that should have been passed down from one generation to the next in my family. No I don't...

When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general.

Blackliberator wrote:

eynon wrote: Blackliberator wrote: As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks. BILL FROM: The Midwestern States TO: Every American Decended from Black Slaves Regarding: Outstanding Debts for Services Items: __________ 1. 150,000 dead kids @ 1,000,000 (10,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 2. 300,000 crippled kids @ 500,000 (5,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 3. 20,000 ruined home-steads @ 250,000 (2500 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 4. 1,500,000 cases of severe emmotional trauma @ 100,000 (1000 in 1865 dollars + compound interes) total: $455,000,000,000 Yes and if that plan were to go in effect we would use that money to start a nation of our own.

you misread the bill. African-Americans owe the people of the Midwest 455,000,000,000 for services provided.

in case you forgot it was the blood of hundreds of thousands of German and Irish immigrants who never owned slaves nor benifited from slavery who freed your people.

any outstanding debt the house had with you was paid in full by the blood of my ancestors.

Blackliberator wrote:

When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general.

How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from?

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Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations.

I'm sure whites who had nothing to do with slavery will be more than happy to give hard earned money to African Americans who aren't working or want to live off the system.
This is also a slap in the face to blacks who work hard and have pride in the fact that they made it.

Why not go after Spaniards and the Portuguese since they started the slave trade.

Blackliberator wrote:

Quote: 1Your ancestors accumulated wealth from the labor of my forefathers. My ancestors were in Italy. They accumulated nothing.. 2My ancestors were not payed. Neither were mine... 3 This wealth was passed down in someway shape or form that has given you a head start in life. No.. 4 My ancestors were not able to pass any wealth from one generation to the next. Not my fault.. 5 You hold money that should have been passed down from one generation to the next in my family. No I don't... When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general.

So if I 'generalize' about blacks and say 'you people' that will be OK with you?

uebermann wrote:

Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from?

The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America.

Blackliberator wrote:

Quote: 1Your ancestors accumulated wealth from the labor of my forefathers. My ancestors were in Italy. They accumulated nothing.. 2My ancestors were not payed. Neither were mine... 3 This wealth was passed down in someway shape or form that has given you a head start in life. No.. 4 My ancestors were not able to pass any wealth from one generation to the next. Not my fault.. 5 You hold money that should have been passed down from one generation to the next in my family. No I don't... When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general.

Well, of course, you were. White Americans can always be very conveniently packaged into one stereotypical group. Some might even call this "racism."

Meanwhile, my great-grandparents got off the boat from County Cork probably quite a bit after your ancestors did.

So how about your taking responsibility for yourself and your own life rather than trying to extort money from innocent others? How about that?

Nebula1 wrote:

Well we should probably pay the Native Americans first then eh? Do you suppose Spain should pay-off the people of Central and South America? Since slavery in the US began prior to the founding of the country, don't you think the UK needs to front some money too? .

Don't forget the Dutch and the Africans who kidnapped and sold slaves to them. We should pay the Irish slaves who were sent to the caribbean. When does it end once you start it? Will it apply to Native Americans?

Blackliberator wrote:

uebermann wrote: Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from? The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America.

The Jews were once slaves too. How is this going to work out LOL

Blackliberator wrote:

uebermann wrote: Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from? The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America.

Everyone knows the Jews and the Arabs have all the money.

Go hit them up, leave me out of it...

I'm done here. This is nothing more then a troll thread.

Nite.

Blackliberator wrote:

uebermann wrote: Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from? The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America.

you sure the catholics owe you?

Blackliberator wrote:

The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America.

I'm "white america" and my family never owned any slaves. So I get to pay for something I was no part of? Sounds to me that you just want easy money, to be quite honest.

Handing out money isn't going to solve any problems nor does it make right any of the wrongs from the past.

Blackliberator wrote:

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks.

I'm white American and my wife is white Canadian. Historically, Canadians housed escaped slaves. Does this cancel everything out? Even though my family wasn't even in this country. Are we square?

Black people put in slavery. They robbed us of our religion, name, culture, language...ect

robbed us of the very power of our own being.

No Jew on the face of the earth can say they were robbed of their religion, name, culture and their language.


The Jews make me sick always bringing up some crinkled wrinkled cracker talking about this is one of the Holocaust victims. I am a Holocaust victim, my brother is Holocaust victim, my sister is a Holocaust victim, my fellow Black nationalist are all Holocaust victims.

I am looking at a whole family full of Holocaust victims.

Hussien99 wrote:

Blackliberator wrote: uebermann wrote: Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from? The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America. The Jews were once slaves too. How is this going to work out LOL

The Jews have been given reparations.

Ever heard of this nation called Israel ?

You picked the perfect week for this troll thread. Holocaust week. Nicely done.

Reparations at this point are pointless. The proper time would have been in the 1860s.

Perhaps people should advocate improved social policies that provide everyone with an equal opportunity to succeed in life rather than seeking a handout...

Historian wrote:

You picked the perfect week for this troll thread. Holocaust week. Nicely done.

I am not a "troll" it is very evidence you can't debunk any of my arguments so thats all your left with is to call me a troll with no evidence to back it up.

Blackliberator wrote:

Hussien99 wrote: Blackliberator wrote: uebermann wrote: Blackliberator wrote: When I said you I was referring to White Americans in general. How does that work out when it comes time to pay taxes, which is where all this money will come from? The money should come from the Catholic Church, The Arabs, The Jews and out of the tax dollars of White America. The Jews were once slaves too. How is this going to work out LOL The Jews have been given reparations. Ever heard of this nation called Israel ?

Are you asking for a small desert county in the middle east? You may not speak for as many people as you think. Have you heard of Liberia? Google that little gem and see how much giving a country to someone will fix it.

NWestNine wrote:

Reparations at this point are pointless. The proper time would have been in the 1860s. Perhaps people should advocate improved social policies that provide everyone with an equal opportunity to succeed in life rather than seeking a handout...

Reparations are not a handout they are just giving back what you originally stole. We need reparations so that Black people may go and build a nation of their own with political, social and cultural independence from white society.

Lumina wrote:

Well, of course, you were. White Americans can always be very conveniently packaged into one stereotypical group. Some might even call this "racism." Meanwhile, my great-grandparents got off the boat from County Cork probably quite a bit after your ancestors did. So how about your taking responsibility for yourself and your own life rather than trying to extort money from innocent others? How about that?

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I'm white American and my wife is white Canadian. Historically, Canadians housed escaped slaves. Does this cancel everything out? Even though my family wasn't even in this country. Are we square?

the term "white america" is complete and total ignorant bull-s**t.

who the f**k is white America?
Irish Catholics from Boston?
Scotch-Irish from the Carolina Hills?
Russians from the mills and mines of Western Penn?
Basques from Idaho?
Anglo-Mormon Ranchers from Southern Utah?
Swedish farmers from Southern Minnesota?
French-Canadians from Northern Maine?

who the f**k is white America?

Blackliberator wrote:

eynon wrote: Blackliberator wrote: As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa. Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations. Many businesses that are around today (such as Chase Bank) benefited greatly off the slave trade and that wealth was passed from one generations to the next. Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today. Since slaves were not paid wealth was passed from one generations to the next and whites had a huge head start. In fact 80 percent of black kids begin their adult lives with no assets and the net worth for Whites 6 Times Higher Than Blacks. BILL FROM: The Midwestern States TO: Every American Decended from Black Slaves Regarding: Outstanding Debts for Services Items: __________ 1. 150,000 dead kids @ 1,000,000 (10,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 2. 300,000 crippled kids @ 500,000 (5,000 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 3. 20,000 ruined home-steads @ 250,000 (2500 in 1865 dollars + compound interest) 4. 1,500,000 cases of severe emmotional trauma @ 100,000 (1000 in 1865 dollars + compound interes) total: $455,000,000,000 Yes and if that plan were to go in effect we would use that money to start a nation of our own.

You misread the bill for one, but another issue here needs addressing if you did get that amount of money. You are going to mobilize every black person in the country and start a new nation? And which black people? Those who have no White, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, etc. blood in them? Because if you do, then these people don't deserve reparations, or rather only a fraction of reparations based on their racial makeup. How are you going to determine this? Where are you going to start this all black nation?

Sorry dude, but your hope for an all black utopia is crazy at best.

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Are you asking for a small desert county in the middle east? You may not speak for as many people as you think. Have you heard of Liberia? Google that little gem and see how much giving a country to someone will fix it.

I know the history of Liberia the reason it didn't work out is because these were uneducated slaves. You can't send people who have been slaves all their life with no training at all in government to build a nation of their own. We want to take a group of intelligent African Americans have have them educated under the top politicians, economist..ect

enyon, my post was mocking the term. Roll with it buddy.

Blackliberator wrote:

Quote: Are you asking for a small desert county in the middle east? You may not speak for as many people as you think. Have you heard of Liberia? Google that little gem and see how much giving a country to someone will fix it. I know the history of Liberia the reason it didn't work out is because these were uneducated slaves. You can't send people who have been slaves all their life with no training at all in government to build a nation of their own. We want to take a group of intelligent African Americans have have them educated under the top politicians, economist..ect

Educated by what politicians, and where will this country be? That's the question I don't get answers for too often.

How much are those reparations anyway?

Historian wrote:

enyon, my post was mocking the term. Roll with it buddy.

wasn't I?

thought I was slamming your point home.

Blackliberator wrote:

I already debunked the whole Blacks sold other Blacks into slavery.

No you haven't. Africa was impassable to Eueopeans until the invention of Quinine, due to to Malaria. The first slaves taken from Africa were war captives. Apart from war the other source of slaves was parents who sold their own children, as they still do. Also people sold themselves into slavery - it's better than starving.

Blackliberator wrote:

So that is another reason why Europeans owe us reparations.

So how much do you owe us for the 1 million Europeans taken as slaves to Africa?
source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

More people are living slavery NOW than at any time in human history. Why don't you worry about that?

Blackliberator wrote:

Quote: Are you asking for a small desert county in the middle east? You may not speak for as many people as you think. Have you heard of Liberia? Google that little gem and see how much giving a country to someone will fix it. I know the history of Liberia the reason it didn't work out is because these were uneducated slaves. You can't send people who have been slaves all their life with no training at all in government to build a nation of their own. We want to take a group of intelligent African Americans have have them educated under the top politicians, economist..ect

All the bulls**t, and you still want help from the "white man."

Blackliberator wrote:

NWestNine wrote: Reparations at this point are pointless. The proper time would have been in the 1860s. Perhaps people should advocate improved social policies that provide everyone with an equal opportunity to succeed in life rather than seeking a handout... Reparations are not a handout they are just giving back what you originally stole. We need reparations so that Black people may go and build a nation of their own with political, social and cultural independence from white society.

Who then pays? No one alive today was responsible for slavery. Therefore, you cannot place responsibility on anyone.

Also, the bold part of your post has already been done. It's called Liberia.

I don't understand how I owe you money when my descendants came over from Ireland in the mid-1800's. My ancestors were persecuted in Ireland by the English. Do I get free money?

eynon wrote:

Historian wrote: enyon, my post was mocking the term. Roll with it buddy. wasn't I? thought I was slamming your point home.

Oh, my fault. I get it now. I missed your tone.

Blackliberator seems to want to rewrite history in order to deny African leaders involvement in the slave trade. Maybe he doesn't actually know.

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. You are going to mobilize every black person in the country and start a new nation? And which black people? Those who have no White, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, etc. blood in them? Because if you do, then these people don't deserve reparations, or rather only a fraction of reparations based on their racial makeup. How are you going to determine this? Where are you going to start this all black nation?

Who exactly said that White people would not be allowed in our country ? We as Black people since we have been brought to America we have fought for many years to be included in mainstream white society. However we have been losing this fight now we have determined that we must build a nation of our own. That is not to say it is going to be a nation so separate until we want we want to rule over White people. We have no desire to rule over White people we just want to rule over ourselves. If White people needed medical treatment we would not treat them as Guinea pigs the way you all do us. If you came to the Black bank and needed loan we wouldn't red line the districts the way you all have to us.

We would have fairness in our nation and we would treat the minorities the way you all treat the minorities in our Nation.

We could never treat White people the way treated us because.... I guess we just don't have that kind of heart.

Mully wrote:

I don't understand how I owe you money when my descendants came over from Ireland in the mid-1800's. My ancestors were persecuted in Ireland by the English. Do I get free money?

White on White Crime

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. You are going to mobilize every black person in the country and start a new nation? And which black people? Those who have no White, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, etc. blood in them? Because if you do, then these people don't deserve reparations, or rather only a fraction of reparations based on their racial makeup. How are you going to determine this? Where are you going to start this all black nation?

Who exactly said that White people would not be allowed in our country ? We as Black people since we have been brought to America we have fought for many years to be included in mainstream white society. However we have been losing this fight now we have determined that we must build a nation of our own. That is not to say it is going to be a nation so separate until we want we want to rule over White people. We have no desire to rule over White people we just want to rule over ourselves. If White people needed medical treatment we would not treat them as Guinea pigs the way you all do us. If you came to the Black bank and needed loan we wouldn't red line the districts the way you all have to us.

We would have fairness in our nation and we would treat the minorities the way you all treat the minorities in our Nation.

We could never treat White people the way treated us because.... I guess we just don't have that kind of heart.

Blackliberator wrote:

Mully wrote: I don't understand how I owe you money when my descendants came over from Ireland in the mid-1800's. My ancestors were persecuted in Ireland by the English. Do I get free money? White on White Crime

Driven by nationality. It's excusable because the skin color is similar?