Beer & Metal wrote:

Black Liberator. Do you belong to the 5% nation? Is that who you are representing?

No, I admire the work of the Nation of Islam and the 5% nation in the Black community but I think their religious doctrine is laughable.

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If Americans of African decent got their own Nation what next ? The Chinese would get their own nation, then the Irish then the Italians, then the Mexicans, then Jews, Then the Iraqis.......

You can't be this stupid ? The Chinese have China, the Irish have Ireland, the Italians have Italy, the Mexicans have Mexico, the Jews have Israel , the Iraqis have Iraq.

I really hope your joking

Blackliberator wrote:

Quote: If Americans of African decent got their own Nation what next ? The Chinese would get their own nation, then the Irish then the Italians, then the Mexicans, then Jews, Then the Iraqis....... You can't be this stupid ? The Chinese have China, the Irish have Ireland, the Italians have Italy, the Mexicans have Mexico, the Jews have Israel , the Iraqis have Iraq. I really hope your joking

Umm Blacks have Africa. How about that.

Any way your wrong about Egyptians being a black society.

They were partly black but were not the majority. Nubians from the north did rule Egypt for a bit and they were also discriminated against by egyptian pharos. Egypt has a long history.

Ellron wrote:

Blackliberator wrote: Quote: If Americans of African decent got their own Nation what next ? The Chinese would get their own nation, then the Irish then the Italians, then the Mexicans, then Jews, Then the Iraqis....... You can't be this stupid ? The Chinese have China, the Irish have Ireland, the Italians have Italy, the Mexicans have Mexico, the Jews have Israel , the Iraqis have Iraq. I really hope your joking Umm Blacks have Africa. How about that. Any way your wrong about Egyptians being a black society. They were partly black but were not the majority. Nubians from the north did rule Egypt for a bit and they were also discriminated against by egyptian pharos. Egypt has a long history.

I believe the Greeks ruled Egypt for a long time. The library of Alexandria was built by them.

If these African nations were so powerful, then they wouldn't have been seen as simplistic, weak targets for colonization by the Europeans. Advanced nations don't just get steamrolled by lesser enemies.

There were some pretty impressive African nations...however, their glory days had -long- passed when the Europeans came.

No one said they were civilized by whites. We said that if you were born in Africa, your life would be far **** than it is now...you wouldn't have the luxury of being able to get on the internet and b**** about how the world's against you...you can't really complain about slavery causing negative lingering effects because, without slavery, many blacks would simply be living crappy lives in Africa.

You know not of what you speak. I think it was something around 15% of the American population that lived in the Southern states, and a small percentage of those were slave owners...not to mention the fact that blacks were enslaved by other blacks and then sold to whites.

False, The slave markets in Africa were in Fez and Triopoli which is located in Northern Africa or Arab Africa.


In 1720, King Agaja Trudo of Dahomey not only opposed the trade, but even went as far as to attack the forts that the European powers had constructed on the coast.

Other African leaders such as Donna Beatriz Kimpa Vita in Kongo and Abd al-Qadir, in what is now northern Senegal, also urged resistance against the forced export of Africans.

Queen Nzinga went as far as fighting Europeans when Europeans dare suggested she sell some of her citizens into slavery.





Since you're so sure of your racial superiority, let me take a dump on your argument:

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Egypt is considered part of the middle-east, and while it may be on the African continent, Egyptians aren't considered black.

Wow you are more ignorant than I originally thought. Modern Egyptians are not Black but the Ancient Egyptians were. Anthropology which is irrefutable.



The Egyptians therefore did not migrate from the North, and archaeological observations backs up more favored notions of mass migration from the south, due in part to a fertile Sahara and changing climatic conditions in the Nile and the Sahara.


. Cranial analysis found that the predynastic Badari culture stretching from 5000 - 4000 BC., had most similarities to East African Teita tribes in Kenya, while Cranial studies of Naqada II found the closest similarities with ancient Nubian Sudan, and Somalia, and the Falaheen in Israel (due most likely to possessing substantial amounts of East African specific e3b since Fellaheen do not fit into a Middle Eastern or Mediterranean Cluster).. http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/badari.pdf http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/brace_2006.pdf



Brace also established a link between these people and groups among the Congo (deep sub-Sahara).

"The Niger-Congo speakers, Congo, Dahomey and Haya, cluster closely with each other and a bit less closely with the Nubian sample � both the recent and the Bronze Age Nubians � and more remotely with the Naqada Bronze Age sample of Egypt, the modern Somalis, and the Arabic-speaking Fellaheen (farmers) of Israel. When those samples are separated and run in a single analysis as in Fig. 1, there clearly is a tie between them that is diluted the farther one gets from sub-Saharan Africa" - Brace


The 1rst Dynasty remains at the tombs in Abydos were assessed. What was found is that out of all the samples they clustered closest to Kerma (Nubian sample) than anyone else. http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/keita-1993.pdf

The Egyptians had tropical body plans, meaning their skeletal type indicates adaptation to a tropical environment. Note: Egypt is not in the tropics, so take this info as you will, but I will say that the closest tropical habitat to Egypt is sub-Saharan Africa.

"The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the �super-Negroid� body plan described by Robins (1983). The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments than in many �African� populations." - Zakrzewski


Ancient Egyptian language belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language phylum, which began in Africa. Also the fact that Ancient Egyptian is older than semitic (semitic is the only Afro-Asiatic language spoken outside of Africa), that makes Ancient Egyptian an African language by default. And its closest neighbor is not Semitic, there is much debate on that but most say Beja or Chadic resembles it closest based on genetic relationships in linguistics.


ecent studies on Egyptian Y chromosomes have found close ancestral connections even between modern Egyptians and various other supra/sub-Saharan African populations.

"A review of the recent literature indicates that there are male lineage ties between African peoples who have been traditionally labeled as being ��racially�� different, with ��racially�� implying an ontologically deep divide. The PN2 transition, a Y chromosome marker, defines a lineage (within the YAPþ derived haplogroup E or III) that emerged in Africa probably before the last glacial maximum, but after the migration of modern humans from Africa (see Semino et al., 2004) This mutation forms a clade that has two daughter subclades (defined by the biallelic markers M35/215 (or 215/M35) and M2) that unites numerous phenotypically variant African populations from the supra-Saharan, Saharan, and sub-Saharan regions based on current data (Underhill, 2001)" http://mbe.library.arizona.edu/data/1994/1105/4hamm.pdf

Ancient Egyptians were Black stop trying to steal my great history.

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a FAR greater influence on modern music. Modern music notation and modern music theory all came from european music, and modern forms of music have more to do with European music than they did African music.

Even if people of European Origins have made improvements or advances to Music the original inventors were Africans.

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Science? Newton single-handedly laid the foundation for all modern physics, which affects virtually every aspect of our lives. The birth of modern science as a whole came from Europe during the Enlightenment Age.

Do you know about the Moors ? Well the Moors were the catalyst for the Renaissance age and they were Black.

Here is the Black guy that came up with the evolution theory long before Dawrin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz

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Government? Democracy's earliest incarnation was the ancient Greeks. After that, it was England that caused the developed world to shift from monarchy/aristocracy to something where the people have some degree of power. John Locke's social contract theory was the ultimate incarnation of this...

Blacks in Rome and Greece http://www.endingstereotypesforamerica.org/blacks_in_greece_and_rome.h tml

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Mathematics? Again, I refer you back to Newton, the great astronomers, and the ancient Greeks.

I refer you to the earliest mathematical object.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishango_bone

Anyways do you know where the pythagoram theorem comes from ?
Here is a Black mathematics so much greater than any Greek one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep

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Ethics/morality? This is just epic. You can't invent ethics or morality. They always exist, in different forms based on the culture and development of the nation in question.

We are the fathers and mothers of Western ethnics and morality.

Umm Blacks have Africa. How about that.

Any way your wrong about Egyptians being a black society.

They were partly black but were not the majority. Nubians from the north did rule Egypt for a bit and they were also discriminated against by egyptian pharos. Egypt has a long history.

Contemporary Egyptian descriptions had led historians to assume that the kingdom of Kush was a weak and barbaric neighbouring state for hundreds of years, although it boasted a complex society with vast resources of gold dominating the principal trade routes into the heart of Africa. It did eventually conquer Egypt, in the 8th century BC.


Mr Davies, who headed the joint British Museum and Egyptian archaeological team, said: “Now it is clear that Kush was a superpower which had the capacity to invade Egypt. It was a huge invasion, one that stirred up the entire region, a momentous event that is previously undocumented.

I f Ancient Egyptians were black then i think black people must pay a lot of money to the Jews cause they used them as slaves...

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I f Ancient Egyptians were black then i think black people must pay a lot of money to the Jews cause they used them as slaves...

There is no "If" the Ancient Egyptians were Black. I can't believe how racist you guys are. I just gave you evidence from anthropology which is irrefutable and you all are still want to deny Black accomplishments.

Nevermind the fact that the Jews in Ancient Egypt were not white but the Egyptians have helped the Jews out several times. When Israel was under attack Taharqa a black Pharaoh send troops to fight them.

The introduction of gunpowder to Europe from China via the Arabs played a major part in elevating the Europeans to a level of military superiority. This advantage over some Africans made colonialism and the theft of African lands as well as the defeat of some African armies easier than in past eras. When the Europeans fought with sword and lance against sword and lance, their victories against Africans were few. However, even with modern weapons during the modern era, Europeans were sometimes soundly defeated. Nations such as the Zulus, Mossi States, Ashanti, Dahomians, Ethiopians, Herrerros and others defeated the Europeans in a number of wars and battles.

Yes Europeans are very destructive.

Again can you prove this ? I have proved to you that Africa was great pre colonial but when Europeans came they underdeveloped Africans. So if slavery never occurred which is what destroyed Africa it would not be in the condition it is in.

False, The slave markets in Africa were in Fez and Triopoli which is located in Northern Africa or Arab Africa.


In 1720, King Agaja Trudo of Dahomey not only opposed the trade, but even went as far as to attack the forts that the European powers had constructed on the coast.

Other African leaders such as Donna Beatriz Kimpa Vita in Kongo and Abd al-Qadir, in what is now northern Senegal, also urged resistance against the forced export of Africans.

Queen Nzinga went as far as fighting Europeans when Europeans dare suggested she sell some of her citizens into slavery.

Modern Egyptians are not Black but the Ancient Egyptians were. Anthropology which is irrefutable.

fathers and mothers of music, science, law, government, mathematics, morality, ethnics !

Even if people of European Origins have made improvements or advances to Music the original inventors were Africans.

Do you know about the Moors ? Well the Moors were the catalyst for the Renaissance age and they were Black.

Here is the Black guy that came up with the evolution theory long before Dawrin.

Blacks in Rome and Greece http://www.endingstereotypesforamerica.org/blacks_in_greece_and_rome.h tml

I refer you to the earliest mathematical object.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishango_bone

Anyways do you know where the pythagoram theorem comes from ?
Here is a Black mathematics so much greater than any Greek one.

As one of the officials of the Pharaoh,Djosèr, he designed the Pyramid of Djoser (the Step Pyramid) at Saqqara in Egypt in 2630–2611 BC[9]. He may have been responsible for the first known use of columns in architecture.

We are the fathers and mothers of Western ethnics and morality.

As a Black Nationalist I believe that Reparations should be paid to the sons and daughters of Africa.

Slavery has left economic and social disparities between Blacks and Whites and the only solution to fixing these disparities is reparations.

Only a fool in denial would say the actions of whites in the past have no effect on the current conditions of Blacks today.

These freed slaves were giving absolutely no training by the USA on how to run a country.

Blacks had to learn this new way of life, from Whites...... Whites invented hatred, and every other race had to follow suit or die..

We agree here, Blacks were never as talented as Whites as far as radical raw hatred - used as a 'tool' to take over the world.

That is the morally right thing to do but since its not practical they too should receive reparations.

Blackliberator wrote:

That is the morally right thing to do but since its not practical they too should receive reparations.

But you're perfectly fine with creating a "black nation" on Native American land? If whites can do it, why not blacks? Right? So much for black moral superiority.

Hatred exists everywhere.

Wow you are more ignorant than I originally thought. Modern Egyptians are not Black but the Ancient Egyptians were. Anthropology which is irrefutable.

We are the fathers and mothers of Western ethnics and morality.

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You shouldn't get a god damn thing. If your own ancestors didn't sell each other into slavery,

The slave markets in Africa were in Fez and Triopoli which is located in Northern Africa or Arab Africa.

In 1720, King Agaja Trudo of Dahomey not only opposed the trade, but even went as far as to attack the forts that the European powers had constructed on the coast.

Other African leaders such as Donna Beatriz Kimpa Vita in Kongo and Abd al-Qadir, in what is now northern Senegal, also urged resistance against the forced export of Africans.

Queen Nzinga went as far as fighting Europeans when Europeans dare suggested she sell some of her citizens into slavery.

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there's a good chance that you'd be wearing a loin cloth, running from lions somewhere in the African bush. The pissing and moaning really needs to stop.

You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT AFRICAN HISTORY. Shut up and get educated !



Ghana (AD 5th-13th)
A rich and powerful gold kingdom.

"He is the richest sovereign on Earth."
-Ibn Hawkel, 10th century North African geographer on Ghana's king

Mali (AD 13th-15th)
An empire larger than Western Europe. Its prosperity and morality gave the empire great international prestige.

"It's inhabitants are rich and live comfortably."
-Mahmud Kati, famous medieval Syrian scholar

Songhay (AD 11th-17th)
An Empire larger than Mali that was renowned for its scholarly culture and complex government.

"(Surpassed) all other Negroes in wit, civility, and industry."
-Leo Africanuas, 16th Century Spanish Moor

Kongo (AD 14th-17th)
A provincial government with an advanced system of checks and balances.

Zimbabwe (AD 10th-15th)
A feudal kingdom that has obtained fame for its large stone structures.

Swahili Coast
A very advanced merchant civilization that traded with India, China, the Mid East, the interior of Africa, and North Africa.

Bornu (AD 13th-17th)
One of the longest lasting kingdoms of all time. Renowned and feared for its armored knights and cavalry.

Benin (AD 13th-19th)
A highly organized forest kingdom that had much direct interaction with the first Portuguese merchants. They are renowned for their naturalistic art.

Ethiopia, in the Middle ages
A highly advanced Christian civilization known for its military might, close relationship with the Portuguese and magnificent architecture.

Ancient Nubia
One of the world's most powerful ancient kingdoms; it halted the Roman, Greek, Assyrian, and Persian conquerors- it even ruled over Egypt for a time. It built pyramids, palaces, and other great architectural feats. It also developed its own written language.

Ancient Aksum (Ethiopia)
One of the richest and most powerful kingdoms in ancient times; it even ruled over Southern Arabia for several centuries. It is known for inventing the first castle and developing its own written language.


In almost every respect, Black Africa was more advanced than White Europe before outside influences touched their cultures. When the Portuguese came upon advanced kingdoms in the southern half of Africa, such as the Kongo, Great Zimbabwe, and Monomotapa the Portuguese were likely the first non-African people these kingdoms ever saw; still these kingdoms were vastly more advanced agriculturally, governmentally, and economically than the white Europeans before extensive outside contact.
. Read about Aksum, about Mali, Songai, Benin, etc. Or wait, even better let me give you a website:

http://www.endingstereotypesforamerica.org/

Check out the history section.


You White people make me sick to my damn stomach trying to justify the enslavement of Africans by saying you civilized them. That is the same thing your no good thieving mothers and your no good thieving daddies did. You just be f***ing ashamed because Black Egyptians are the fathers and mothers of music, science, law, government, mathematics, morality, ethnics !



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So a Youtube video of the Phil Donahue show is where you get your information? I ask you about Dar fur and you post some s**t from the 80's! Priceless! All I hear is guy blaming anything wrong that a black person does on the white man. It must be nice not having to take responsibility for your actions!

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Do you not understand how that video addresses Darfur ?
Darfur is the result of years of being manipulated and oppressed. There is no personal responsibility when you have been robbed of your name, your language, and your God. The problem in the Black community has less to do with the crack and more to do with the Cracker. Black people have to be made whole again because White people have corrupted them. When people are put at such a disadvantage and when people have been robbed of a knowledge of self that do not always make the right decisions.

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Again, you keep ignoring my points about the evil thug Mugabe that you are celebrating with your signature. Care to justify his killing, torturing and rape of an entire section of the Zimbabwe population?

Only in the mind of a hypocritical White person is Robert Mugabe an evil thug. Robert Mugabe is fighting for the justice of Black Zimbabweans and he has only tortured boot-licking, butt-licking, bamboozled, half-baked, half-fried, sissified, punkified, pasteurized, homogenized Black people. George W Bush has tortured, killed, and raped and you have never referred to him as an evil thug. You attack Robert Mugabe for taking land away from non indigenous White Zimbabweans but you have never referred to your own founding fathers who have stolen land from Indigenous Americans.

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You also dodged the real fact that America gives BILLIONS every year to Liberia and Africa as a whole. We are saving lives there while the local populace is killing themselves. (please no more Phil Donahue clips form the 80's. Use your own words and brain to compose a rational argument) BTW, Liberia did not fail!

Look, Liberia is a failed state in my opinion because we could have been a superpower if the African Americans who were

Had America taking more preparations the first peaceful election would have taking place long ago. The people who founded Liberia were free slaves with absolutely no education what so ever. Joseph Jenkins Roberts was a freed slave who went on to start Liberia and he had absolutely no political experience . You honestly don't see anything wrong with going from a slave to a president ? Sure the United States give them money now but did the United States help educate them so they would no how to manage the money ? If the United States would have given the Liberians Billions of dollars in scholarship money to attend the most prestigious universes in the USA than Liberia would have been a more successful a long time ago.

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Again, you obviously are not a Black nationalist because there is a "black Israel". You don't want your own nation, you want a check!

False, I want a group of educated Blacks who have been trained extensively in government starting from a very young age to help build our country no uneducated slaves.


And to evanescence if you would stop watching DBZ for a moment to pick up a book you would know Black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization, music, science and they achieved high level of civilizations LONG BEFORE EUROPEANS. Stop trying to deny black history......

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These freed slaves were giving absolutely no training by the USA on how to run a country.

I'm confused. You want white people to teach you black nationalists the white man's business model, the white man's medicine, and the white man's technology, and all in a white man's language (English)? And you want to do this so you can repeat the white man's crime of stealing land from the Native Americans?

BTW, I personally don't care if an inventor was white, black, Asian etc. However, you're a black nationalist who feels that your culture, names, land and dignity has been robbed from you. Why wouldn't you instead learn an African language and only use African knowledge and African solutions? Why learn ideas developed mainly by white Westerners?